DUST Search - [Request] GTFO Button for Dropships

CELESTA AUNGM wrote:

....Hmm

Yes, this request (or something like it) has been made before. A certain TYPE of FPS player tends to make requests like this, so I'm sure the request will be made again and again into next year. But fortunately it's kind of an, emm.. "anti-social" or "anti-coop" attitude, and since CCP seems dead-set on aiming Dust 514 towards "SOCIAL" coop work as the main tool for defeating the enemy... I (happily) suspect CCP will continue to refuse your request.

Reading this and similar posts that you and some other "pilots" make, I get the impression you're NOT talking about using the DS for transport or even assault... you're using it as a private cab to get you to the rooftop or tower ledge. In other words, you're a "Sniper" primarily, not a pilot primarily. (It's the first theory in my mind that would explain how just having a passenger "riding" on your DS would "cost you the loss of your ships"---you wanted to zip to the roof and 'recall' the DS before it was fired on, but the passenger didn't understand your motive and sat waited until the poor DS was targetted by an enemy.)

The passenger has no way of knowing that you're not planning to use this "support vehicle" to SUPPORT ANYBODY...(he's hoping to help you by trying to man one of your turrets---she's hoping you'll give her protective help across half the map before she gets killed--... but those are "social" assumptions, and you're not into "support" or "social" anything.)

I'd like to try to help you, because I am a training DS driver, and I AM "social" in this game. I can think of a dozen fixes here, but these are 3 instant solutions to your problem:

1- "Communicate" to players with a MIC (several of the BEST pilots I've ridden with do--it's needed for real coop piloting)--tell the unaware passengers you're on a suicide run, not transporting anybody on this trip. 8 out of 10 of your passengers will listen and helpfully get off the ship.

2- "BE TACTICAL" on the map, and pick a spot away from the initial staging area before you call in your RDV_DS delivery. This protects the wise pilots from getting railgunned before they can take off---but this will help YOU minimize "f-off" the fellow mercs who are trying to socially interact and coop with you.

3- Or try cultivating "SOCIALLY INTERACTION" yourself. With a MIC or buddy pilot, hitch a ride on a TRUE "support" dropship pilot and ask him to get you to the roof your seeking (...um, I think this is what the devs envisioned dropship operators would do, and are STILL hoping we will learn to do in the coming patches).

Yeah, I know... I'm trying to push "SOCIAL-work" on you like it's the 60's and I'm a flower-power hippie. And I know it's especially hard for "sniper" corp---you guys tend to be kinda introverted.
But really, "social" IS the challenge that Dust 514 is trying to be about. Some of us got the point really fast or brought it over with us from playing EVE, so we can potentially be your solution.

Some of the ace pilots tell me, unless it's doing practice flying, they hate to see a DS that's taking off empty.
I may not be an ace DS master yet, but if you see my character's name on the team list and hop a ride, I'll take you over to any freakin dangerous spot you want to try.

But you have to bridge that gap by finding us players and communicate/interact with us... cuz I seriously doubt that CCP will ever consider "auto-boot unwanted passenger" requests as a NEEDED feature.


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Talos Vagheitan King Slayers 71	Posted - 2013.10.13 21:07:00 - [1] - Quote I know this has been requested before, but it's desperately needed. Blueberries refusing to leave the DS has cost me ships, cost the team objectives etc. I propose: - Hold down on the D-pad to boot all PAX except turret operators - Double tap down on the D-pad to boot all PAX including turret operators
Talos Vagheitan King Slayers 73	Posted - 2013.10.13 21:36:00 - [2] - Quote EDIT: I suppose the Left D-Pad would be a better button, since Down is the mini-map. But same idea
Talos Vagheitan King Slayers 76	Posted - 2013.10.13 23:59:00 - [3] - Quote I would even be lenient enough as to say that the DS Bay doors would have to be open to boot everyone. Although it sure would be fun to see how far you can fling a blueberry!
Talos Vagheitan King Slayers 85	Posted - 2013.10.15 06:41:00 - [4] - Quote CELESTA AUNGM wrote: ....Hmm Yes, this request (or something like it) has been made before. A certain TYPE of FPS player tends to make requests like this, so I'm sure the request will be made again and again into next year. But fortunately it's kind of an, emm.. "anti-social" or "anti-coop" attitude, and since CCP seems dead-set on aiming Dust 514 towards "SOCIAL" coop work as the main tool for defeating the enemy... I (happily) suspect CCP will continue to refuse your request. Reading this and similar posts that you and some other "pilots" make, I get the impression you're NOT talking about using the DS for transport or even assault... you're using it as a private cab to get you to the rooftop or tower ledge. In other words, you're a "Sniper" primarily, not a pilot primarily. (It's the first theory in my mind that would explain how just having a passenger "riding" on your DS would "cost you the loss of your ships"---you wanted to zip to the roof and 'recall' the DS before it was fired on, but the passenger didn't understand your motive and sat waited until the poor DS was targetted by an enemy.) The passenger has no way of knowing that you're not planning to use this "support vehicle" to SUPPORT ANYBODY...(he's hoping to help you by trying to man one of your turrets---she's hoping you'll give her protective help across half the map before she gets killed--... but those are "social" assumptions, and you're not into "support" or "social" anything.) I'd like to try to help you, because I am a training DS driver, and I AM "social" in this game. I can think of a dozen fixes here, but these are 3 instant solutions to your problem: 1- "Communicate" to players with a MIC (several of the BEST pilots I've ridden with do--it's needed for real coop piloting)--tell the unaware passengers you're on a suicide run, not transporting anybody on this trip. 8 out of 10 of your passengers will listen and helpfully get off the ship. 2- "BE TACTICAL" on the map, and pick a spot away from the initial staging area before you call in your RDV_DS delivery. This protects the wise pilots from getting railgunned before they can take off---but this will help YOU minimize "f-off" the fellow mercs who are trying to socially interact and coop with you. 3- Or try cultivating "SOCIALLY INTERACTION" yourself. With a MIC or buddy pilot, hitch a ride on a TRUE "support" dropship pilot and ask him to get you to the roof your seeking (...um, I think this is what the devs envisioned dropship operators would do, and are STILL hoping we will learn to do in the coming patches). Yeah, I know... I'm trying to push "SOCIAL-work" on you like it's the 60's and I'm a flower-power hippie. And I know it's especially hard for "sniper" corp---you guys tend to be kinda introverted. But really, "social" IS the challenge that Dust 514 is trying to be about. Some of us got the point really fast or brought it over with us from playing EVE, so we can potentially be your solution. Some of the ace pilots tell me, unless it's doing practice flying, they hate to see a DS that's taking off empty. I may not be an ace DS master yet, but if you see my character's name on the team list and hop a ride, I'll take you over to any freakin dangerous spot you want to try. But you have to bridge that gap by finding us players and communicate/interact with us... cuz I seriously doubt that CCP will ever consider "auto-boot unwanted passenger" requests as a NEEDED feature. hmm... Where do I even begin explaining to you what's wrong with your essay? ;) First off, most of your rambling is based on a lot of random assumptions. Where do you get off telling me that I'm a sniper on a suicide mission? Or that I'm not interested in supporting the team? I've been Logi since the day I started playing. Medical logi at that, rocking hives, nanites and rep tool. I got into Logistics DS's after that, to move troops around, and support the team with the mobile CRU. Secondly, you do realize most players with mic's operate in squad chat right? Making voice chat with any blueberry who enters my DS difficult at times. But voice communication aside, I'll paint an easy picture you. If I have a full dropship, and am hovering over an undefended enemy control point (with scanners running to confirm), should I really have to verbally explain to the pax what the team needs them to do? Perhaps you need that specific of guidance, but it really should be a given for the average player. Or would you refuse to get out too until someone "socially interacts" with you? HA! Now let me give you a tip 1.) Check the elitist attitude at the door. As fun as you may find it to try and sound condescending on the internet, atleast have an idea what you're talking about before you try to lecture people on anything. Otherwise you come off looking arrogant and foolish. Such as you did just now.... ;) Peace bro
Talos Vagheitan King Slayers 85	Posted - 2013.10.15 06:43:00 - [5] - Quote Xender17 wrote: The only problem with this that it could be extremely abused. Going across the redline and pressing the button. Or getting close to the redline and press at full speed sending them flying. There could be a different colored line added to this. This line comes before the redline and infantry can't be dropped off in it. Potentially. Trolling can't be killed, but this would be easy to minimize. Put a height and speed restriction on it, or only allow it while the bay doors are open. Disabling the feature in the redzone would also be easy.
Talos Vagheitan King Slayers 89	Posted - 2013.10.15 16:25:00 - [6] - Quote CELESTA AUNGM wrote: ....Another long-winded essay, on how inferior Dust players have the wrong mindset and need to learn to communicate like EVE players do . Ok, I may have paraphrased there, but that's basically the jist I gathered ;) What you'll have to understand is that communication in public matches will never be what it is in PC Corp battles. You're going to have to accept that. Yes, in a perfect world every player would have MIC's and communicate on Team Chat, but that's just not the case. Sure, communication is important, and would make everything easier, but players in this game will run solo, with and without MIC's. I hope you don't think of them as inferior for doing so (although it certainly sounds like you do). So for these players, should they not be allowed to enter a dropship? Or fly a dropship? Or play the game at all? My issue is when blueberries enter the passenger seats and refuse to leave under any circumstance. This happens. Keep flying and it will happen to too eventually. Feel free to switch chat channels all you want and "socialize" with them when it eventually happens to you maybe with your "right mindset" you'll have better results than I. I wish you the best of luck... Now let's snap back to reality. A GTFO button might not be the best solution across the board, and yes, people could abuse it. I actually like the idea of the (Please)GTFO button, where you can indicate to blueberries to leave, without forcing them. I'd be curious how well that works. Either way, you should probably climb down from the high horse you're on. I'm willing to bet it could use a rest ;) #ClassDismissed.